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My in-depth stance on the show's recent changes:

Hi all -



I am creating a new thread on this issue because, well, some of the opinions I've been reading lately are troubling to me and don't seem to understand the big picture. While I am directing some parts of this message to specific members of this website, a large portion of it should be applicable to others. I wish to put everything out on the table in a respectful and mature manner, and if you reply, please do the same.



I grew up watching the exact same show as the rest of you. Bob Barker was hosting; Roger Dobkowitz was the showrunner. The show had a certain feel to it, a feel that I shall refer to throughout as the "classic feel". A feel that I loved.



This was the case for many years. The ratings were great, the demographic was low, and there was no need to make significant changes. Up through Season 35, everything was the status quo. It was at that time, of course, that Bob retired. Eventually his successor would be named for Season 36 and beyond - Drew Carey.



When Bob retired, it caused a fairly large drop in the ratings. As far as I know, the demographic stayed approximately the same from Season 35, but overall numbers were down. This was to be expected, of course, as Bob had built up an impressive legacy. A legacy that many people of all ages wanted to "leave on a high note" with, so to speak.



Since that initial drop in ratings, I am under the impression that - for the most part - the show's overall viewer ratings have been slowly rising back up. However, at the conclusion of Season 36, Roger left the show. While his departure did not have any meaningful impact on the ratings - after all, 99% or more of the show's viewers had never even heard of him - this left the show with other people in charge. In other words, a new direction.



The new direction faced some significant challenges. For example, many of Bob's viewers had started watching the show in their 20's and 30's and were now in their 50's and 60's. Because the show never made significant changes, it inherited these older viewers. Unfortunately, these ages are not very attractive to advertisers.



Nowadays, the show faces some major problems.



1. The median age of a TPIR viewer has risen to about 63.



2. Recent changes the show has made to reduce that median age have not been particularly successful.



3. The overall ratings are slowly rising, but due to #1 and #2, the show is becoming increasingly less profitable.



Fan4ever: This is what I was referring to by "slow leak".



So Mike Richards takes over as executive producer, fairly recently, and he needs to worry about these problems. Why? Simple.



1. I don't have any kind of access to the numbers, but at the current rate, I'm guessing that the show - as is - will no longer be profitable within five years.



2. The job of an EP is to keep its show popular, on the air, and usually accomplishes this by keeping it fresh. If Mike were to decide to not change anything, it might make certain fans happy, yes. But it would be breaking the show even further.



Me... I don't have a problem with the changes they've been making. Like I said, I loved Bob's version of this show. I love Drew's version as well. Both versions have their flaws. But at the end of the day, TPIR is still the same traditional routine of bidding, playing a pricing game, spinning the wheel, and showcases that it has always been.



If you read this, Mike, you have my full support.



And if that means that TPIR501 calls me a Fremantle Media employee and follows it up with multiple derogatory remarks, like he did last week, so be it.



(Disclaimer: As this was a very long post, it's highly likely that I've forgotten to include points that I had intended to include. I may include those later on.)

    Reply: Posted by liketherace on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 at 9:31 AM
    Love the new game "rat race".  It is a little like the cliff (little yodely guy) hanger where everyone can really get into the game.  Good Job Drew !!!
    Reply: Posted by Octavarium64 on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 at 6:52 PM

    I think you've written your points very well, Dookar. I think you've really illuminated exactly what was going on at the time, and we can both think about why the show has ended up where it has. We both agree that, at some point, errors in judgment were made. But on exactly what, I must disagree: the main error, in my view, was firing Roger.

    I should think the mere change of host, then the modern set, would be enough to draw in younger viewers. Even Roger would know that there would be no way to keep the show exactly the same; the new ingredients must serve to further the original legacy of The Price is Right. The show could not do a complete reboot from top to bottom - it would have to keep some original elements.

    What I don't think anyone has really picked up on is, despite Bob and Drew having different styles, how they both worked towards the same goals. Bob and Drew often have the same sardonic comedy, as when they slam contestants who grossly overbid in Contestants' Row. Drew's more loose style is different, sure - he does things Bob wouldn't do - but when you think about their normal selves, loose Drew compared to restrained Drew is about the same difference as loose Bob compared to restrained Bob. So it really is different, yet the same...which is exactly what the show should be doing!

    The modernization of the set is the only other major change that was made. People really tend to underestimate the ability of modern technology to provide a glimpse of the past: after all, the whole "retro" style is based off it! Using the same old props, even if they are classics, is inflexible and ultimately hurts the ability of a show to adapt. Making new computer programs for a prop might be hard, but so is manufacturing a new prop; it can actually be easier to redesign computerized props than physical ones. The rather ineffective Any Number used-number displays (crossing out numbers) are extremely easy to fix. (Kathy actually did fix them one time...)

    So, as it turns out, everything that was changed to this point was for the better to the optimum degree - different, yet the same. It should be asked why there was a push for a new direction, why Roger disagreed with it, and why Fremantle would be willing to take the chance of letting Roger go to try out new, untested, radical ideas on the longest-running game show in America. It clearly didn't work out, and now they're trying to fix the problem. But in the end, you have to blame the management somehow...when you commend the production staff for trying to fix what got broken, you need to understand that the production staff is who got things broken.

    I haven't been able to post for the last couple weeks, so I've been trying to make this point for a while...but in the end, it's the root of everything that's wrong. I commend your reasoned approach to this debate, and I hope that things can be settled in a more civilized manner from now on. Thank you for making me think slower, more creatively, and with a cooler head rather than my own selfish interests. I sure needed it...

    Signed, Octavarium64.

    Reply: Posted by gameshowlover72 on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 at 12:41 AM
    Dookar....THANK YOU!!  Now, THIS is a well thought out, non-attacking, constructive opinion about this show.   It includes MANY good points and does not make mention of any "back stage" gossip or anything like that.   No one is hung out on the cross...it's a great post..plain and simple.

    And, for what's it worth...my opinion is this:  I have always loved the show, and still do.   Hopefully, it manages to continue for many more years.  However, these decisions are not in my hands and not mine to make.  We will just have to wait and see how things go as we progress forward, and hope for the best.    And, this show will ALWAYS have my support regardless....
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